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The Final Word on IE6

A friend of mine recent­ly asked the ques­tion “Why the Hate on Inter­net Explor­er 6?” He explains some very log­i­cal rea­sons why it does­n’t make sense to be so neg­a­tive about IE6, and as I agree with him on just about all points, I thought I’d give the clear­est answer I could.

Sim­ply put, IE6 should­n’t get any hate. Nor should it receive any love, either.

The best thing the web stan­dards com­mu­ni­ty (and any oth­er smart web folk) can do is stop com­plain­ing about an ancient brows­er whose devel­op­er wait­ed too long to replace, and just stop sup­port­ing it altogether.

One of the ben­e­fits of web stan­dards is that our doc­u­ments are marked up cor­rect­ly before we reach the pre­sen­ta­tion­al stage. One of the ben­e­fits of IE6 (et al) is that we can tar­get spe­cif­ic ver­sions using Con­di­tion­al Com­ments. The com­bi­na­tion of the two means we can still send our con­tent to old browsers, but not have to both­er with the pre­sen­ta­tion, thus sav­ing our­selves hours of need­less headaches and frus­tra­tions, while not pun­ish­ing the users of said old browsers by deny­ing them access to our content.

There’s con­stant dis­cus­sion about whether or not to con­tin­ue sup­port for IE6, and the only rea­son ever giv­en these days in favor of sup­port­ing that brows­er is its mar­ket share. That mar­ket share is dimin­ish­ing, and we’ve already reached the sec­ond beta of IE8, so let’s start drop­ping it already. Make the argu­ment against sup­port­ing IE6, to your clients, your boss, your team—whoever needs to hear it, keep apply­ing pres­sure and don’t back down.

It’s time to stop sup­port­ing IE6. Period.

This arti­cle has very kind­ly been trans­lat­ed to Ser­bo-Croa­t­ian lan­guage by Jovana Miluti­novich from Webhostinggeeks.com.

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  1. Posted by Wade Winningham on Wednesday, September 3rd, 2008.

    While I agree with you to an extent, I base my own deci­sion as to whether or not to sup­port IE6 on the audi­ence of a site. I’m cur­rent­ly pri­mar­i­ly doing intranets or extranets and I have to go by what the users of those sites use. One site has a fair num­ber of IE6 users, who are still on Win­dows ME and unlike­ly to get upgrad­ed any­time soon.

    Luck­i­ly, most of these are apps with sim­ple designs and once they work in IE7, tend to work with only minor adjust­ments in IE6. I def­i­nite­ly leave IE6 for last and am not over­ly con­cerned if some­thing is a lit­tle off as long as the func­tion­al­i­ty is there. So while I can’t com­plete­ly stop sup­port­ing it, I try to give it as lit­tle atten­tion as possible.

  2. Posted by Travis Beck on Wednesday, September 3rd, 2008.

    I can’t wait until the day that IE6 final­ly dies for good. But it’s going to take a major cam­paign on part of the devel­op­ment com­mu­ni­ty to final­ly put an end to it. As well as an edu­cat­ed user base to final­ly switch or upgrade. I recent­ly launched my site and it was heav­i­ly fea­tured in sev­er­al CSS gal­leries, so I fig­ured, giv­en the user base it was exposed to, that I would­n’t see very many instances of IE6 in my logs. To my sur­prise about 40% of users were on IE and about 60% of those were IE6 users. I was kind of shocked, but relieved to see that FF was on top at 50% over­all. We’re mak­ing progress; it’s just going to be a long haul.

  3. Posted by Michael on Wednesday, September 3rd, 2008.

    Many of my large clients report IE6 usage any­where from 20% — 33%. There are many rea­sons for this, and may users can­not upgrade eas­i­ly or at all.

    Until IE6 is under 2%, we owe it to our audi­ence to sup­port it.

  4. Posted by Elliot Jay Stocks on Wednesday, September 3rd, 2008.

    *cough cough* Death to IE6, did some­one say? ;)

  5. Posted by Dan Rubin on Wednesday, September 3rd, 2008.

    @Wade: What I’ve been doing late­ly is telling clients that IE6 sup­port isn’t includ­ed by default, and if they real­ly want it (e.g. if enough of their users still use IE6) it is an extra fee, and that it does­n’t include full sup­port for fea­tures that *can’t* be sup­port­ed in IE6, but can in new­er browsers (most­ly design-relat­ed choic­es). So it’s still a con­tex­tu­al deci­sion, but I expect design­ers and devel­op­ers to be intel­li­gent enough to know when to enforce the rule and when to bend a little :)

    @Travis: Like I said to Wade above, it’s con­tex­tu­al to be sure: about 7% of my vis­i­tors today use IE6, and that’s been drop­ping steadi­ly over the last 2 years. For my clients, I make sure to eval­u­ate their stats and make the prop­er rec­om­men­da­tion to them, though IE6 sup­port is still con­sid­ered addi­tion­al work and is charged as such. But I think it needs to be explic­it that devel­op­ers start drop­ping sup­port visu­al­ly, while retain­ing as much func­tion­al­i­ty as pos­si­ble (by using pro­gres­sive enhance­ment), mak­ing it clear to users of IE6—which, in a cor­po­rate envi­ron­ment, also means the IT staff—that its time has come.

    @Michael: Like I just said in response to Travis, the IT staff (in my expe­ri­ence) is respon­si­ble for push­ing upgrades, so if enough web apps and sites that cor­po­rate users might need to use start requir­ing IE7 or bet­ter for full func­tion­al­i­ty, that will give IT enough rea­son to rec­om­mend an upgrade. I’ve seen it before as a tech in the past, and I know it will be the same with this issue.

    @Elliot: *cough* indeed :) Just try not to hate the brows­er or the folks who built it: it is, after all, just old, and it’s more the respon­si­bil­i­ty of IT man­agers and Microsoft to push upgrades, not the major­i­ty of users (in this case).

  6. Posted by brian warren on Wednesday, September 3rd, 2008.

    Great idea Dan. I like the option of mak­ing IE6 an opt-in fea­ture for clients.

    I like the point that you make that the bur­den isn’t on the users, it’s on the IT man­agers and MS to fos­ter progress. And let’s not for­get what a huge step for­ward IE6 was from 5.5. And dou­ble-points to MS mak­ing IE7 an auto­mat­ic update. 

    Now let’s start see­ing some fea­tures like mul­ti-columns and bor­der-radius make their way into IE8. Progress, hurrah!

  7. Posted by Wade Winningham on Wednesday, September 3rd, 2008.

    @Dan: I think you’re solu­tion is per­fect. Charge extra for it if it’s desired. That way you’re not shut­ting the door com­plete­ly, just get­ting paid for the extra time you know it’s going to take. At the min­i­mum it brings up the dis­cus­sion before you’re fin­ished with the project.

  8. Posted by Nate Klaiber on Wednesday, September 3rd, 2008.

    I think your response is one of the bet­ter respons­es I have seen. It’s easy for us as devel­op­ers to get upset and throw it out the win­dow in frus­tra­tion, but we have to remind our­selves that it is still some­thing we have to work with/consider depend­ing on the con­text of our projects.

    It’s easy to whine and com­plain, and edu­cat­ing isn’t always easy. I think your route, where you charge extra and can show why you are charg­ing extra, helps elim­i­nate the whin­ing and com­plain­ing (you will be paid for the extra blood, sweat, and tears), and it helps with the edu­ca­tion, as clients can now see why IE is a poor brows­er choice and the rea­sons behind it (from a busi­ness perspective).

  9. Posted by Chris Fullman on Wednesday, September 3rd, 2008.

    You’re right, this was def­i­nite­ly bet­ter as a response/post than a sim­ple com­ment on my blog! :)

    I’m all on board for peo­ple to some com­plain­ing about the brows­er itself (espe­cial­ly when they have the ten­den­cy to con­tin­u­al­ly com­pare it to today’s browsers) and instead focus their frus­tra­tions on giv­ing their users a valu­able, legit­i­mate rea­son for end­ing sup­port for IE6 and get­ting them to upgrade. 

    Just because we think the brows­er sucks (now) does not mean the brows­er was bad to begin with: my men­tal­i­ty in the mat­ter is that IE6 did what it was sup­posed to when it was launched and up until Fire­fox 1.0 was launched, when a bet­ter option was pub­licly avail­able. (As I not­ed in my post, up until Fire­fox 1.0 was released, there real­ly were no oth­er viable alter­na­tive options as Netscape was already dead and the Mozil­la Suite was dying.)

    Now it’s time to move on. We can’t push the remain­ing 25% of users that still have IE6 as their brows­er of choice over to a new­er brows­er just because we as a devel­op­ment com­mu­ni­ty think “it sucks” and “some things may be bro­ken on our site until you upgrade.” We need to give them an actu­al rea­son to upgrade.

  10. Posted by Andy on Wednesday, September 3rd, 2008.

    We’re putting a quote togeth­er for a quite a large site, and are charg­ing extra for 100% visu­al com­pli­ance in IE6. I’m up for the idea of drop­ping a fair­ly sim­ple IE6 only stylesheet so it looks pass­able and, as you say, not pun­ish the user by still giv­ing them access to content.

  11. Posted by Dan Rubin on Wednesday, September 3rd, 2008.

    @Brian: While I’d love to see what we all con­sid­er “prop­er” CSS sup­port make it into IE8, I’m also not hold­ing my breath—just like the “issue” of the bro­ken page icon, it’s not real­ly Microsoft­’s pri­or­i­ty to make us hap­py. We’re an incred­i­bly small per­cent­age of the mar­ket for them, and on top of that I’m bet­ting that many peo­ple who com­plain about IE’s stan­dards sup­port don’t even use Win­dows (XP or Vista) as their oper­at­ing sys­tem. Where is MSFT’s busi­ness jus­ti­fi­ca­tion for mak­ing us hap­py at all?

    @Nate: I’ve con­tributed my share of whin­ing about IE6, but that’s ulti­mate­ly a waste of time. The soon­er we all move on and start doing things that will even­tu­al­ly result in change, the better.

    @Chris: amen broth­er, amen.

    @Andy: the next step is to see if your clients are ok with *no* visu­al sup­port for IE6, and just hide the stylesheets from it and old­er versions.

  12. Posted by Patrick Haney on Wednesday, September 3rd, 2008.

    It’s all well and good to say “let’s stop sup­port­ing IE6” or “let’s charge clients more for IE6 sup­port”, but the prob­lem here is for those of us who don’t real­ly have a choice. Free­lancers and design agen­cies can pick their clients, but sup­port teams and design groups with­in com­pa­nies and (in my case) uni­ver­si­ties are stuck deal­ing with up to 25% of its user base still brows­ing with IE6. Whether it’s Microsoft spe­cif­ic web appli­ca­tions (ActiveX is not your friend) or com­put­er labs that haven’t been upgrad­ed, some design­ers have to keep IE6 in the equa­tion when it comes to HTML and CSS.

    On the oth­er side, I think it’s our job as lead­ers in our field to push for the adop­tion of IE7 and IE8 soon­er than lat­er. Start doc­u­ment­ing the time it takes you to add IE6 sup­port into your web­sites and web appli­ca­tions. Ask clients why they’re using IE6 and rec­om­mend that they seri­ous­ly think about upgrading.

    The time to stop sup­port­ing IE6 is over­due in my opin­ion, but it won’t be real­i­ty until we all step up and force the issue. Let’s tell our clients, our users, and even our boss­es why we should­n’t be sup­port­ing a piece of soft­ware that’s now over 7 years old and is full of bugs. Let’s make it happen.

  13. Posted by Jon Aizlewood on Wednesday, September 3rd, 2008.

    Keep the momen­tum going! I’ve just writ­ten an arti­cle on this exact top­ic — http://www.carbongraffiti.com/2008/09/03/the-reverse-tipping-point-say-goodbye-ie6/. Get­ting guys like you to prove that you’re con­sid­er­ing drop­ping IE6 sup­port is cru­cial to start­ing the ball rolling.

  14. Posted by Dan Rubin on Wednesday, September 3rd, 2008.

    @Patrick: very good point about in-house departments—people can still tar­get IT depart­ments at uni­ver­si­ties et al, since ulti­mate­ly they are the folks who need to pro­vide the jus­ti­fi­ca­tion for what­ev­er invest­ment is required to make the upgrades a reality.

    @Jon: The more the merrier :)

  15. Posted by Matt Robin on Wednesday, September 3rd, 2008.

    I’m def­i­nite­ly going that way (stop­ping sup­port for IE6) — I still con­di­tion­al com­ment for it at the moment though. What con­cerns me more is that IE7, now wide­spread in use, became far more bug­gy when launched than antic­i­pat­ed, and the soon to be released IE8 could also go the same way (although I hope it does­n’t). What I mean is that non-sup­port for IE6 is prob­a­bly much less of an issue than the sup­port for cur­rent and new ver­sions of IE.

  16. Posted by Dan Rubin on Wednesday, September 3rd, 2008.

    @Matt: I rarely have issues with IE7 from a CSS per­spec­tive, things seem to just work 99% of the time, espe­cial­ly using Eric Mey­er’s CSS Reset (but even with­out reset­ting styles it’s been decent).

    Obvi­ous­ly we’ll still have to sup­port IE7 and IE8, but the amount of time it will require will be much low­er than with pre­vi­ous versions.

  17. Posted by icaaq on Thursday, September 4th, 2008.

    A sug­ges­tion to your sug­ges­tion is that you make it clear for the the clients that instead of sit­ting hours and hours to fix ie6-bugs that time can be used to make bet­ter enhance­ments for the stan­dard­saware broswers. That’s if they have a bud­get for the project and needs to decide what to do with the money.

  18. Posted by Mark on Monday, September 8th, 2008.

    Hey, I nev­er thought of that; charg­ing extra for IE6-support.

    I had an idea as well: make stan­dard con­di­tion­al for IE6, which will show a box on top of the cre­at­ed web­site, stat­ing the per­son is using an out­dat­ed brows­er, and should con­sid­er upgrad­ing to IE7/8, Fire­fox or Chrome.

    If one of the men­tioned browsers is being used, the css-box will be hidden.

  19. Posted by Bruno Miranda on Friday, September 12th, 2008.

    Hey Dan,

    This post and Nathan’s sprung the idea of cre­at­ing http://idroppedie6.com/

  20. Posted by Noel Hurtley on Saturday, September 13th, 2008.

    Great dis­cus­sion. I dropped sup­port for IE6 on my per­son­al sites about a year ago and I think I’m going to start charg­ing my clients extra to sup­port the ancient browser.

    Mark: I start­ed doing this short­ly after I dropped sup­port for IE6. Check out Veg­log in IE6 to see the spe­cial upgrade notice. I think it’s a clever solu­tion that empow­ers the user to make a more informed deci­sion about their browser.

  21. Posted by Chad on Monday, September 15th, 2008.

    IE6 should be death by March, or hope­ful­ly earlier…


  22. Posted by mingz on Monday, September 22nd, 2008.

    The only good thing of IE is that it is the first to offi­cial­ly sup­port XML­Re­questHttp() (ie5), which makes Ajax pos­si­ble. Oth­er than that, its strange box mod­el, securiry mod­el and DOM mod­el bring a lot of trou­ble to web design­ers. Per­son­al­ly, I would say IE is sucess­ful in mar­ket, but tech­ni­cal­ly it is a piece of junk. I am very glad to see IE is fad­ing out, although clients pay more if they want com­plete cross-brows­er com­pat­i­bil­i­ty of website ;).

  23. Posted by Chris on Tuesday, September 30th, 2008.

    Our web­site’s users on IE6 are still in the 30–40% range. With mil­lions of pageviews per month, we can’t afford to lose any of those users because we “did­n’t want to deal with IE6.” There are still com­plete­ly work­able solu­tions for IE6.

    There’s got to be a bal­ance between not show­ing any styles at all and try­ing to main­tain the exact visuals/functionality on all browsers and ver­sions. Any­one who says dif­fer­ent is just being lazy.

  24. Posted by Dan Rubin on Tuesday, September 30th, 2008.

    @Chris: I total­ly agree—expanding a bit more on what I said in my first com­ment, my stance for per­son­al sites and any projects that aren’t built for a client is that IE6 should­n’t be sup­port­ed. For clients, I explain why they might not need to sup­port it, and that includ­ing sup­port will require extra time and that they will be charged accord­ing­ly. No one has had a prob­lem with this yet, and I’ve been using that approach for more than 2 years now.

    In many cas­es, IE6 works with­out any hacks or adjustments—I’m cer­tain­ly not advo­cat­ing remov­ing sup­port if it’s there, but extra effort should be bal­anced against need.

    The prob­lem with stat­ing a firm opin­ion pub­licly is that it los­es its desired effect if you include an aster­isk and list out all the cas­es where you might not want to make such a bold state­ment. The assump­tion is that every­one read­ing this can still think for them­selves, and will con­tin­ue to make the best deci­sions for their clients and their audience.

  25. Posted by Chris on Tuesday, September 30th, 2008.

    @Dan I do feel your IE6 pain. Ah, if only I had time to work on “per­son­al sites and any projects that aren’t built for a client.” 

    IE for Mac FTW

  26. Posted by Jonny Haynes on Tuesday, October 14th, 2008.

    Hi Dan,

    I total­ly agree with what’s been said, it should depend on the cir­cum­stance. If i get asked to build a site with IE6 sup­port, I always ask to see there stats if they have any — to prove that it’s worth it.

    I like Andy Clarke’s stance on IE6 sup­port or lack of it.

  27. Posted by jyoseph on Friday, October 17th, 2008.

    I love IE6!!! I want it to be re-released in a super-gold-plat­inum edition.

  28. Posted by Tony on Monday, October 20th, 2008.

    While I haven’t yet dropped IE 6, I spend much less time on it than I used to. Between JS frame­works doing the nit­ty-grit­ty of browsers for me and my ten­dan­cy to use IE con­di­tion­al stylesheets to just rip out fan­cy detail that does­n’t work in IE6 and replace it with some­thing much sim­pler, the pain of hav­ing to deal with IE is much reduced. Now all I need is for them to fin­ish and release IE8 so I can do the same thing to IE7.

  29. Posted by Phil L on Saturday, October 25th, 2008.

    The pri­ma­ry rea­son why so many still use obso­lete soft­ware is because they sim­ply do not real­ize that it is obso­lete, let alone how real­ly obso­lete it is.
    A major edu­ca­tion­al cam­paign geared toward “aver­age” end users is required, rather than just a lot of bitch­ing con­fined to a few rel­a­tive­ly eso­teric devel­op­er sites. And let’s face it, 75 per­cent of the “aver­age” brows­er-using pub­lic still thinks html is just an abbre­vi­a­tion for “hot­mail” ! And Microsoft soli­taire is still the major use of cyber-time for quite a few.….…
    What is need­ed is a cam­paign sim­i­lar to the 1970’s when automak­ers had to post lit­tle stick­ers all over the cars and gaspumps that not­ed the new requirements.…“Caution, Unlead­ed Fuel Only”.

  30. Posted by Adriaan on Thursday, October 30th, 2008.

    I hate IE6, but unfor­tu­nate­ly can’t stop sup­port­ing it. I’m try­ing to help peo­ple to upgrade, by show­ing a warn­ing mes­sage on the top of my sites to IE6 users, with a cou­ple of links they can fol­low to get a bet­ter browser…

  31. Posted by Marty on Monday, December 15th, 2008.

    Let’s stop sup­port­ing the W3C stan­dard, prob­lems solved!!! Can any­one explain the box mod­el??? If so, stop wais­ing your time float­ing and margin !!!

  32. Posted by Aaron on Sunday, December 21st, 2008.

    I’m very much in favour of mak­ing IE6 visu­al­ly dif­fer­ent as this will be all most peo­ple need to be forced up upgrade their brows­er. The cor­po­rate world I think will make a jump from IE6 to IE8 when it is ful­ly launched, when this starts to roll out would be any­one’s guess.

    If peo­ple who build web­sites do noth­ing and say noth­ing about IE6 then noth­ing is going to hap­pen and we will be left spend­ing a ton of time fix­ing for IE.

    Roll on the day.

  33. Posted by Azeem on Sunday, December 28th, 2008.

    Although I like every oth­er devel­op­er agrees IE6 that should go — one very impor­tant point is I believe the devel­op­er has absolute­ly no right to dic­tate what brows­er a user should or should not use. This is not the deci­sion of a developer. 

    I ful­ly agree with Chris who said we need to strive for a mid­dle ground where IE6 is sup­port­ed — but only to a rea­son­able extent. Unfor­tu­nate­ly many of us don’t have that lux­u­ry — It would be sui­cide if I decid­ed to even slight­ly stop IE6 sup­port for the com­pa­ny I work for as our thou­sands sub­scribers could go to a com­peti­tor who does sup­port it — this is a risk that the man­age­ment would nev­er take.

    There are 2 sides — From a stan­dards pro­gres­sion point of view I agree that we need to get as far away from IE6 as pos­si­ble and strive for a devel­op­ers utopia where we didn’t need to wor­ry about such prob­lems and get on with the work — but sad­ly from a busi­ness point of view where mon­ey is at stake, sup­port­ing IE6 is always going to win. In the end it will always come down to money.

    Boss: “Will it cost us if we don’t sup­port IE6?”
    Dev: “Yes”
    Boss:”In that case we must sup­port IE6?
    Dev: “But it will take longer to develop”
    Boss:”Irrelevant — the mon­ey lost from IE6 exclu­sion will sure­ly sur­pass the mon­ey spent on longer development”
    Dev: **cries**

    It’s a nec­es­sary evil.

  34. Posted by Dan Rubin on Sunday, December 28th, 2008.

    @Azeem: I com­plete­ly agree, as I’ve stat­ed ear­li­er in the com­ments — if the audi­ence requires IE6 sup­port, then we have to sup­port it. Agen­cies and free­lancers should charge for that extra sup­port how­ev­er; that is with­in their rights for spend­ing addi­tion­al time on that browser.

    It’s also worth point­ing to Jere­my Kei­th’s 24ways arti­cle The IE6 Equa­tion, as it direct­ly dis­cuss­es what is meant by “sup­port” for IE6.

  35. Posted by Lieven on Monday, February 23rd, 2009.

    Final word on IE6” = best sen­tence ever.
    It’s just plain idio­cy to claim that “That’s the way the web­coock­ie cumbles”.
    Design should be able to deal with it’s bor­ders, but still, there’s a limit.

    Today, IE6 is past that limit.
    And I’m hap­py with it.

  36. Posted by Kids Wall Art on Saturday, March 7th, 2009.

    As a devel­op­er, I still work for clients who live in the dark ages when it comes to com­put­ers (and inter­net browsers), and most of them still believe IE6 is the stan­dard web brows­er nowa­days. It’s a per­son­al mis­sion of mine to edu­cate them on why fire­fox is so much bet­ter or how IE has 2 new­er ver­sions since 6.

  37. Posted by msn on Monday, March 16th, 2009.

    very good point about in-house departments—people can still tar­get IT depart­ments at uni­ver­si­ties et al, since ulti­mate­ly they are the folks who need to pro­vide the jus­ti­fi­ca­tion for what­ev­er invest­ment is required to make the upgrades a reality.

  38. Posted by VisitCafe on Monday, April 6th, 2009.

    IE 6 is a big ene­my of web design­er. Unfor­tu­nate­ly, So many peo­ple still like this f**** browser

  39. Posted by Andy Stratton on Wednesday, April 8th, 2009.

    Nice post, Dan. I’ve been for­tu­nate enough to have clients (yay) but unfor­tu­nate enough that they want IE6 support.

    I’m hon­est­ly to the con­clu­sion that defin­ing sup­port as pix­el-per­fec­tion for IE 6,…,IE 8 is only worth it if it’s with­in the clien­t’s bud­get. It takes time, ener­gy, expe­ri­ence to tweak a lot of the quirks.

    Edu­ca­tion is key. Scream­ing “Ugh that brows­er sucks” has yet to do any­thing for any of my clients; and ones in man­aged envi­ron­ments (schools/corporate offices) are ready to move to the next free­lancer at that point.

    I’m per­son­al­ly a big fan of some grace­ful degra­da­tion for old­er brows­er (or those that have lim­it­ed sup­port for CSS/JS/etc.). I’m firm on the notion that con­tent should be acces­si­bly deliv­ered to the user in a usable fash­ion, but if they want the good­ies, they need to upgrade ;]

  40. Posted by sebastien on Wednesday, April 15th, 2009.

    I’m french, sor­ry for my english :-/

    Hel­lo Dan, i’m sor­ry but i have a ques­tion and i don’t find a response anywhere.
    I want to write in the com­ments of my blog “2 weeks ago” or “3 days ago”, like you in your com­ments but i don’t know why do that. Could you help me please ? What is the code you use ?

    Thank you :-)

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