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		<title>By: 300+ Jquery, CSS, MooTools and JS navigation menus &#124; PaulSpoerry.com</title>
		<link>http://superfluousbanter.org/archives/2003/12/the-art-of-navigation/comment-page-1/#comment-27761</link>
		<dc:creator>300+ Jquery, CSS, MooTools and JS navigation menus &#124; PaulSpoerry.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 16:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: 300+ Jquery, CSS, MooTools and JS navigation menus &#124; 1stwebdesigner</title>
		<link>http://superfluousbanter.org/archives/2003/12/the-art-of-navigation/comment-page-1/#comment-27753</link>
		<dc:creator>300+ Jquery, CSS, MooTools and JS navigation menus &#124; 1stwebdesigner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dise&#241;o web</title>
		<link>http://superfluousbanter.org/archives/2003/12/the-art-of-navigation/comment-page-1/#comment-1435</link>
		<dc:creator>Dise&#241;o web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2004 07:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, excellent implementation, i like this navigation, css are the best.

cya!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, excellent implementation, i like this navigation, css are the&nbsp;best.</p>
<p>cya!</p>
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		<title>By: Couzin2000</title>
		<link>http://superfluousbanter.org/archives/2003/12/the-art-of-navigation/comment-page-1/#comment-1434</link>
		<dc:creator>Couzin2000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2004 23:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being a newbie myself, I am extremely impressed with the looks of all this, and I must say that you have inspired me to start the design of my own page. CSS will be present, of course!

This is a very slick design, and it would positively be easy to streamline a complete site with this if you expand on your idea.

Good work, and thanks for the inspiration!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a newbie myself, I am extremely impressed with the looks of all this, and I must say that you have inspired me to start the design of my own page. <span class="caps">CSS</span> will be present, of&nbsp;course!</p>
<p>This is a very slick design, and it would positively be easy to streamline a complete site with this if you expand on your&nbsp;idea.</p>
<p>Good work, and thanks for the&nbsp;inspiration!</p>
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		<title>By: Janos Horvath</title>
		<link>http://superfluousbanter.org/archives/2003/12/the-art-of-navigation/comment-page-1/#comment-1433</link>
		<dc:creator>Janos Horvath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is possible to design the menu without the IE hack if margins and floats are used instead of absolute position.



body {

	margin: 26px;

	padding: 0;

	background: #fff url(back.png) no-repeat;

}



span {

	display: none;

}



ul {

	width: 800px;

	background: url(bg_nav.png) no-repeat;

	height: 113px;

	list-style-type: none;

	margin: 0;

	padding:0;

}



li {

	float:left;

	margin:0;

	padding:0;

}







li a {

	margin-top:81px;

	background: transparent;



	width: 100px;

	height: 32px;

	

	text-decoration: none;

	display:block;



	padding:0;

}



li#bu1 {

	padding-left: 22px;

}



li#bu2 a {  background: url(business_hover.gif) 0 0 no-repeat; }

li#bu3 a {  background: url(personal_hover.gif) 0 0 no-repeat; }

li#bu4 a {  background: url(information_hover.gif) 0 0 no-repeat; }



li#bu2 a:hover, li#bu3 a:hover, li#bu4 a:hover { 

	background-position: 0 -32px;

	width:110px;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is possible to design the menu without the <span class="caps">IE</span> hack if margins and floats are used instead of absolute&nbsp;position.</p>
<p>body&nbsp;{</p>
<p>	margin:&nbsp;26px;</p>
<p>	padding:&nbsp;0;</p>
<p>	background: #fff url(back.png)&nbsp;no-repeat;</p>
<p>}</p>
<p>span&nbsp;{</p>
<p>	display:&nbsp;none;</p>
<p>}</p>
<p>ul&nbsp;{</p>
<p>	width:&nbsp;800px;</p>
<p>	background: url(bg_nav.png)&nbsp;no-repeat;</p>
<p>	height:&nbsp;113px;</p>
<p>	list-style-type:&nbsp;none;</p>
<p>	margin:&nbsp;0;</p>
<p>&nbsp;padding:0;</p>
<p>}</p>
<p>li&nbsp;{</p>
<p>&nbsp;float:left;</p>
<p>&nbsp;margin:0;</p>
<p>&nbsp;padding:0;</p>
<p>}</p>
<p>li a&nbsp;{</p>
<p>&nbsp;margin-top:81px;</p>
<p>	background:&nbsp;transparent;</p>
<p>	width:&nbsp;100px;</p>
<p>	height:&nbsp;32px;</p>
<p>	text-decoration:&nbsp;none;</p>
<p>&nbsp;display:block;</p>
<p>&nbsp;padding:0;</p>
<p>}</p>
<p>li#bu1&nbsp;{</p>
<p>	padding-left:&nbsp;22px;</p>
<p>}</p>
<p>li#bu2 a {  background: url(business_hover.gif) 0 0 no-repeat;&nbsp;}</p>
<p>li#bu3 a {  background: url(personal_hover.gif) 0 0 no-repeat;&nbsp;}</p>
<p>li#bu4 a {  background: url(information_hover.gif) 0 0 no-repeat;&nbsp;}</p>
<p>li#bu2 a:hover, li#bu3 a:hover, li#bu4 a:hover&nbsp;{ </p>
<p>	background-position: 0&nbsp;-32px;</p>
<p>&nbsp;width:110px;</p>
<p>}</p>
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		<title>By: brew</title>
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		<dc:creator>brew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the simplicity of the concept. It was a *slaps head* moment when I had a look at the css. I&#039;m working of something similar at the moment with the added constrain that the person who maintains the site should be able to add items to the menu without having to touch the css (or create new graphics).



I think it degrades well in IE5.0. Although there&#039;s no onhover, there is an &quot;active&quot; state. The position of this active state can be corrected in IE5.0 by using tantek&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tantek.com/CSS/Examples/ie50winbandpass.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;IE5.0/Windows Band Pass Filter&lt;/a&gt;.



Placing:



@media tty {

 i{content:&quot;\&quot;;/*&quot; &quot;*/}}; @import &#039;ie5.0fix.css&#039;; {;}/*&quot;;}

}/* */



after the current set of styles imports ie5.0fix.css that contains the declaration:



li a {

	margin-bottom:-1px;

}



I did a quick check and it all seems to hold together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the simplicity of the concept. It was a *slaps head* moment when I had a look at the css. I&#8217;m working of something similar at the moment with the added constrain that the person who maintains the site should be able to add items to the menu without having to touch the css (or create new&nbsp;graphics).</p>
<p>I think it degrades well in <span class="caps">IE5</span>.0. Although there&#8217;s no onhover, there is an &#8220;active&#8221; state. The position of this active state can be corrected in <span class="caps">IE5</span>.0 by using tantek&#8217;s <a href="http://www.tantek.com/CSS/Examples/ie50winbandpass.html" rel="nofollow"><span class="caps">IE5</span>.0/Windows Band Pass&nbsp;Filter</a>.</p>
<p>Placing:</p>
<p>@media tty&nbsp;{</p>
<p> i{content:&#8221;&#34;;/*&#8221; &#8220;*/}}; @import &#8216;ie5.0fix.css&#8217;;&nbsp;{;}/*&#8221;;}</p>
<p>}/*&nbsp;*/</p>
<p>after the current set of styles imports ie5.0fix.css that contains the&nbsp;declaration:</p>
<p>li a&nbsp;{</p>
<p>&nbsp;margin-bottom:-1px;</p>
<p>}</p>
<p>I did a quick check and it all seems to hold&nbsp;together.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthijs Aandewiel</title>
		<link>http://superfluousbanter.org/archives/2003/12/the-art-of-navigation/comment-page-1/#comment-1431</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthijs Aandewiel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2004 01:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>now that! rocks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>now that!&nbsp;rocks!</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://superfluousbanter.org/archives/2003/12/the-art-of-navigation/comment-page-1/#comment-1430</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m impressed with the design... looks really sharp (although an 800px wide element will cause horizontal scroll bars even on a screen res of 800x600). i used something like this for the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.protectionplusonline.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;protection plus&lt;/a&gt; navigation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m impressed with the design&#8230; looks really sharp (although an 800px wide element will cause horizontal scroll bars even on a screen res of 800x600). i used something like this for the <a href="http://www.protectionplusonline.com" rel="nofollow">protection plus</a>&nbsp;navigation.</p>
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		<title>By: Marko</title>
		<link>http://superfluousbanter.org/archives/2003/12/the-art-of-navigation/comment-page-1/#comment-1429</link>
		<dc:creator>Marko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2004 14:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yammy! Just saw it today via CSS Vault site, and again via Mr. Z&#039;s. Great job!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yammy! Just saw it today via <span class="caps">CSS</span> Vault site, and again via Mr. Z&#8217;s. Great&nbsp;job!</p>
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		<title>By: David Barrett</title>
		<link>http://superfluousbanter.org/archives/2003/12/the-art-of-navigation/comment-page-1/#comment-1428</link>
		<dc:creator>David Barrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2003 17:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I misread the post and thought Didier said it didn&#039;t work in IE because of IE&#039;s terrible implementation of :hover.



I checked it out on my friends Windows machine and found, to my pleasant surprise, that it works in IE5.5+. Any ideas why it doesn&#039;t work in IE5.0?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I misread the post and thought Didier said it didn&#8217;t work in <span class="caps">IE</span> because of <span class="caps">IE</span>&#8217;s terrible implementation of&nbsp;:hover.</p>
<p>I checked it out on my friends Windows machine and found, to my pleasant surprise, that it works in <span class="caps">IE5</span>.5+. Any ideas why it doesn&#8217;t work in&nbsp;<span class="caps">IE5</span>.0?</p>
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